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« Thread Started on Feb 1, 2005, 11:51pm »

Ron Paul Denounces National ID Card

Congressman Ron Paul today denounced the national ID card provisions contained in the intelligence bill being voted on in the U.S. House of Representatives, while urging his colleagues to reject the bill and its new layers of needless bureaucracy.

“National ID cards are not proper in a free society,” Paul stated. “This is America, not Soviet Russia. The federal government should never be allowed to demand papers from American citizens, and it certainly has no constitutional authority to do so.” 
“A national identification card, in whatever form it may take, will allow the federal government to inappropriately monitor the movements and transactions of every American,” Paul continued. “History shows that governments inevitably use such power in harmful ways. The 9-11 commission, whose recommendations underlie this bill, has called for internal screening points where identification will be demanded. Domestic travel restrictions are the hallmark of authoritarian states, not free nations. It is just a matter of time until those who refuse to carry the new licenses will be denied the ability to drive or board an airplane.” 
“Nationalizing standards for drivers licenses and birth certificates, and linking them together via a national database, creates a national ID system pure and simple. Proponents of the national ID understand that the public remains wary of the scheme, so they attempt to claim they’re merely creating new standards for existing state IDs. Nonsense! This legislation imposes federal standards in a federal bill, and it creates a federalized ID regardless of whether the ID itself is still stamped with the name of your state.” 
“Those who are willing to allow the government to establish a Soviet-style internal passport system because they think it will make us safer are terribly mistaken,” Paul concluded. “Subjecting every citizen to surveillance and screening points actually will make us less safe, not in the least because it will divert resources away from tracking and apprehending terrorists and deploy them against innocent Americans! Every conservative who believes in constitutional restraints on government should reject the authoritarian national ID card and the nonsensical intelligence bill itself.” 
December 8, 2004

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.

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Re: National ID Card
« Reply #1 on Feb 2, 2005, 1:58am »

This somethin they're tryin to pass or already set in motion?

The only thing I've experianced even remotely relating to this is having to show my drivers liscence to get to the terminal at the airport. That I don't mind.

As for everything else...let me digest it.

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Re: National ID Card
« Reply #2 on Feb 2, 2005, 5:27pm »

An ID card? Another way for the government to control us, wacth our every move, and restrict our freedoms.

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« Reply #3 on Feb 2, 2005, 8:10pm »

Sounds like a great idea to me. I mean, we just *need* *ANOTHER* way to be controlled... more power to them.

Yes, of course I'm being sarcastic.

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Re: National ID Card
« Reply #4 on Feb 2, 2005, 8:20pm »

There is an interesting story that someone always finds time to mention when discussing hte National ID card, or something to that effect.

As the story goes, in the era of Nazi Germany, the Gestapo kept a tight rein on its citizens, forcing them to carry Identity papers with them whenever they went out, on a trip, for example. After all, it would be an embarressment if the Jews could hop on a train bound for Swizerland under the nose of the Secret Police, no?

So, when the Gestapo reached you to check on your identification, the would take you to one side and ask "Papers, please." and then review your documents.

If they found them valid, you could go on your way, but if you didn't ahve any, or if yours were invalid or forged, you got a trip down to the police station where they would jail you for not having proper identification.

Just shows how far we have come in sixty years?

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Re: National ID Card
« Reply #5 on Feb 2, 2005, 10:13pm »

*nods* Makes me wonder what they really consider freedom in this country...

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Re: National ID Card
« Reply #6 on Feb 2, 2005, 11:29pm »

There is also the matter of the "Mark of the Beast"

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Re: National ID Card
« Reply #7 on Feb 3, 2005, 11:39am »

Whats that? (I'm guessing its that Star thing they had to wear, but I'm not sure...)

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Re: National ID Card
« Reply #8 on Feb 3, 2005, 10:55pm »

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Whats that? (I'm guessing its that Star thing they had to wear, but I'm not sure...)

According to the Scriptures, the "mark of the beast" is received on the right hand or forehead. With modern technology, it is very possible that this mark may be directly linked with a computer chip. But regardless if it is or isn't, everyone who is living immediately before the return of Christ will be forced to take this mark in order to buy or sell anything:

"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666" (Rev. 13:16-18).

But this mark, which will be universally issued around the entire world, MUST NOT be received under any circumstances, even by Christians! Scripture goes on to say:

"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: 'If ANYONE worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of THE SAINTS who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus' " (Rev. 14:9-12).

As the mark will definitely be issued one day, as Scripture declares, the eternal destiny for all who receive that mark will also be in accordance with Scripture! Do not be deceived about this. If you are a Christian, you MUST NOT take this mark or you, too, will miss the kingdom of God and suffer eternal torment over this single act of disobedience, according to Scripture! If the popular teaching of eternal security (also known as the perseverance of the saints) was true, Rev. 14:9-12 would be an impossibility! So don't be deceived by the teaching of eternal security. You must endure to the end to be saved (Matt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11).

The people who make the eternal mistake of receiving the mark and worshiping the beast and/or his image will be deceived by accompanying miraculous signs and wonders:

"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur" (Rev. 19:20).

"And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed" (Rev 13:13-15).

"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness" (2 Thess. 2:9-12).

Those who refuse to receive the mark of the beast and worship his image are referred to in the following passage. These are the same ones who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus:

"I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years" (Rev. 20:4-6).

Please notice, the "first resurrection" will not occur until the mark of the beast is made available! The first resurrection is for those who have done good and will rise to live, as opposed to those who have done evil and will rise to be condemned (Jn. 5:29). YOU WILL NOT ESCAPE A PERSONAL DECISION REGARDING THE MARK OF THE BEAST THROUGH A PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE. Regarding "that day" or "our being gathered to him" (2 Thess. 2:1), the Bible says:

"Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction" (2 Thess. 2:3).

Those who remain faithful to the Lord Jesus will refuse this mark, but will be beheaded as a result. This same fate for the God fearing who endure to the end is also mentioned in the following passage with another possibility for "the saints":

"He was given power to make war against THE SAINTS and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast -- all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. He who has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of THE SAINTS" (Rev. 13:7-10).

Dear reader, if you die in the Lord as a consequence of refusing the mark of the beast, please realize that you will immediately be in the presence of the Lord in "Paradise" (Lk. 23:43).

Regarding physical death for a Christian, Paul wrote:

"We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:8).

"For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far" (Phil. 1:21,23).

REGARDLESS WHAT HAPPENS, DO NOT TAKE THE MARK! There will be many who will accept it at this time. Great pressure will be on you also to conform to their example. Miracles from satanic power will deceive many into taking the mark. YOU MUST REMAIN TRUE TO GOD, EVEN IF YOU GET BEHEADED OR GO INTO CAPTIVITY AS A CONSEQUENCE. YOUR ETERNAL DESTINY HANGS IN THE BALANCE with this single act, if we are the last generation. Pass this vital information on to other people with whom you are acquainted. If we are the last generation, this could be the most important message they will ever learn. It may make the difference in where they will spend all of eternity.

"They overcame him [the devil] by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death" (Rev. 12:11). "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matt. 10:28).

Pure superstition nonsense.

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Re: National ID Card
« Reply #9 on Feb 9, 2005, 12:23am »

They're at it in Congress!

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Originally Posted by The Liberty Committee
ACTION ALERT

February 8, 2005

Are the terrorists winning? When al-Qaeda attacked the United States on
September 11, 2001, they made it clear they hate America and want to
terrorize us into changing America.

If they could, the terrorists would destroy the unique American way of
life. But they can't. Only we can do that.

Tragically, too much of the legislation enacted by Congress in a
knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 does al-Qaeda's job for them. The Patriot Act
took the first, disastrous step toward fundamentally changing our way of
life. Then came the homeland security bill, followed by the 9/11
intelligence reorganization bill. And now the Real ID Act of 2005 (H.R. 418)
will be voted on Thursday, February 10th.

What's wrong with H.R. 418 -- a bill we are told will stem the flow of
illegal aliens through our porous borders? For starters, it does
NOTHING to stem the flow of illegal aliens. Instead, H.R. 418 will:

1. Establish a national ID card.
2. Establish a federally-coordinated database of personal information
on American citizens with Canada and Mexico.
3. Use the new national ID to track American citizens when traveling
outside the U.S. -- and within the U.S.
4. Re-define "terrorism" in broad new terms that could include members
of firearms rights and anti-abortion groups or other such groups as
determined by whoever is in power at the time.
5. Authorize the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to
unilaterally expand the information included in driver's licenses,
including such biometric information as retina scans and DNA information --
and even radio frequency identification (RFID) tracking technology.
Carry a driver’s license with RFID and governmental officials will know
your whereabouts 24/7.

Incredibly, H.R. 418 does nothing to solve the growing threat to
national security posed by people who are already in the U.S. illegally.
Instead, H.R. 418 states what we already know: that certain people here
illegally are "deportable." But it does nothing to mandate deportation.
H.R. 418 fails miserably on this most critical issue.

The Real ID Act or Real National ID Act will impose a Soviet-style
internal passport on law-abiding American citizens. Proponents of H.R. 418
say we must "make sacrifices" like this to control our borders and
fight illegal immigration. But H.R. 418 is a Trojan horse -- it pretends
to offer desperately needed border control in order to stampede
Americans into sacrificing what is uniquely American: more of our
constitutionally protected liberty. H.R. 418 does what al-Qaeda could never do
without our help.

H.R. 418 does what legislation restricting firearm ownership does. It
punishes law-abiding citizens. Criminals will ignore it. H.R. 418
offers us a false sense of greater security at the cost of taking a
gigantic step toward making America a police state. The terrorists will have
won.

Urge your U.S. representative to vote "no" on H.R. 418. Go to
http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/al...6938731&type=CO

Kent Snyder
The Liberty Committee
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org

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Re: National ID Card
« Reply #10 on Apr 12, 2005, 3:35pm »

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4. Re-define "terrorism" in broad new terms that could include members
of firearms rights and anti-abortion groups or other such groups as
determined by whoever is in power at the time.

Wha?

Okay, in England the existing system is that around about your 16th birthday you get a card in the post. On it is your National Insurance Number. You have to memorize the number and keep the card safe, and then you use it in official documents. But you have to keep it secret.

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Re: National ID Card
« Reply #11 on Aug 11, 2006, 7:42pm »

Though this may seem a little off-topic, I'd like to mention the rumor I've been hearing about micro-chips being placed under someone's skin. This idea chills me to the bone It sort of reminds me of "1984" and "The Feed".

Just thought it was related...

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